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In tribal casinos, minimum paybacks usually are written into the compacts with the states that authorize slot play. In Wisconsin, for example, tribal compacts specify a minimum payback of 80 percent.

Cruise ship casinos are the worst. I use to work as a bartender on a ship and can tell you that they really are the tightest machine you'll ever play. The reason being not jusf because they can get away with it but because there is no competition at sea and very little to do on a ship that's as exciting as the casino. Don't play at cruise casinos.

I haven't been on many cruise's the ones I have been on had some good IGT VP, even a nice VP progressive, including a bunch of bonus banking slots. I can't know if chips had been tampered with or not but I won.

I haven't been on many cruise's the ones I have been on had some good IGT VP, even a nice VP progressive, including a bunch of bonus banking slots. I can't know if chips had been tampered with or not but I won.

Consider yourself lucky. It would be wise to quit while ahead and not tempt cruise casino fate.Yeah, apart from having a friendly roll on the craps table or playing low stakes blackjack for fun, I wouldn't get into playing the slots on cruise ships....NEVER, not even for a little fun and entertainment. You will get slaughtered if you play through your 'beginner variance'.
Having said that due to the relatively unschooled and inexperienced pit staff on cruise ships, I don't hesitate to believe that you can get away with moving your money while playing blackjack. The rules are not too horrible either if memory serves. No surrender, stand on S17, 6 decks, DAS, Split Aces once only. If I remember accurately, the games I ran was running at about a about 0.42%. The problem is that the minimums are quite often low but you can still have aa very decent spread on $5 to $500 tables. If you play at the $25-$1000 tables you will attract more attention.
I wonder if people have tried to count or hole card on cruise ships before?
Anybody care to share some stories?
I know I never backed anybody off because I was told not to. The customer is always right?!?!?!?!?

I know I never backed anybody off because I was told not to. The customer is always right?!?!?!?!?

That's what I like to hear!!!! Where do I find these cruises that don't back people off?

I wonder if people have tried to count or hole card on cruise ships before?

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Someone on the forums told me that he and his wife hole carded on their honeymoon and there was no heat. I won't say who, but hopefully there are some more stories.

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I'm going on a Princess cruise next month, so I'll definitely check out the blackjack and at least look at the VP.I wish that there was a cruise that had like a legitimate casino. Something over 90% payback on slots and craps with 3,4,5x. Honestly, that might actually make me take a cruise.I wonder if NCL's casinos are better than others since they have a program with Caesars (though they might be worse since they are CZR).

I wish that there was a cruise that had like a legitimate casino. Something over 90% payback on slots and craps with 3,4,5x. Honestly, that might actually make me take a cruise.

When I worked on Celebrity they most assuredly had 3,4,5 x odds no doubt, in fact I was the one who suggested they change from double odds to shore up more high limit action.
It promtly worked with the next cruise having two guys with $50k front money come on board.
I very much doubt casino dealers or floor people care about counters or hole carders......they are there to have fun. You are more likely to get caught by a fellow guest who wants to be a whistleblower than a sharp employee.......
Sad but true :)I will say that NCL's casinos are excellent, IMO, and offer Vegas odds on most of the table games. I am less sure about the slots/VP payoffs, but they do have good numbers of both. Their dealers and pit crew are pretty good at their jobs and very pleasant. I am not an AP, so I'm not going to speculate about opportunities; I could be wrong in either direction.

I wouldn't get into playing the slots on cruise ships....NEVER, not even for a little fun and entertainment.

I never say never when it comes to gambling and AP. People say certain table games can't be beaten, they just have no clue. I take things on a case by case basis. I also don't believe half the people that claim they can beat certain games with betting systems, I know dam well they are full of crap. IE Varmenti, Gplayer, Tounement king to name a few
What you said about cruises, I hear this often about reel slot machines and even from so called experts(especially in the past). You should never say NEVER. You could miss a great opportunity.
IE online. Many people including AP's blasted others for playing online casinos and they stayed away. Me Being Leary and actually believing to a few casino Blacklist sites, cost me enough as it is. Luckily I took the leap of faith on a few blacklisted sites and was generously rewarded. A few others made in the mid hundreds of thousands without much risk. Sure they got stiffed or slow paid a few times, It was worth the risk for them.
A Few guys did do well on some cruise ships and it had nothing to do with positive variance.